Never mind, I've found some more free areas in the oob using nanddump. Yaffs is working great now, thanks! Boaz ________________________________________ From: yaffs-bounces@lists.aleph1.co.uk [yaffs-bounces@lists.aleph1.co.uk] On Behalf Of Boaz Ben-David [boaz.bd@wellsense-tech.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:56 AM To: manningc2@actrix.gen.nz Cc: yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk Subject: Re: [Yaffs] yaffs2 block retirement issue OK, this sounds good. Since I have 15 bytes free in the oob I simply reduced n_bytes to uint16_t in the struct definition over at yaffs_packedtags2.h. Overall this seems to work. Does that sound reasonable? Thanks, Boaz. On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 07:44 +1300, Charles Manning wrote: > You need to find a way to pack the tags into the available space. > > Have a look at yaffs_packedtags2.c and .h. > > The basic tags structure is 4 x u32. Tags packing then rejiggers the tags > layout for object headers to store more info in the tags space. > > If you forgo the extra information packing then it is easy enough to reduce > the tags storage to > > seq_number keep as u32 > obj_id 24 bits is enough > chunk_id 24 bits is enough > n_bytes 16 bits is enough. > > That will reduce the tags struct to 12 bytes. > > -- Charles > > > > On Wednesday 19 January 2011 20:54:08 Boaz Ben-David wrote: > > OK, I think this is indeed the problem. > > The oob scheme declared only 4 bytes of oobfree space. > > After some changes and testing using the mtd provided oob test I managed > > to find some more unused bytes and now I have 15. > > Now yaffs doesn't retire all blocks as before but actually can create > > files on the partition. The problem is that after un-mounting and then > > re-mounting the partition again file sizes are changing, I guess because > > of that missing byte for the tags. > > Is there some way I can make yaffs work with only 15 bytes free in the > > oob area? > > > > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 13:49 +1300, Charles Manning wrote: > > > On Tuesday 18 January 2011 22:36:40 Boaz Ben-David wrote: > > > > To sum it up, my controller (iMX353) uses HW ECC by default, and I am > > > > using MLC nand with 4k page and 218B oob. > > > > My question is, is it at all possible to make this work with YAFFS > > > > using oob tags (as opposed to inband-tags that work) or am I not in the > > > > right direction. > > > > > > You need at least 16 bytes of unused OOB to store tags (this could be > > > reduced to approx 12 bytes or so with some effort). If there is less than > > > that then you will need to use inband tags. > > > > > > > YAFFS gives very good performance using the inband-tags option on our > > > > device, the only issue is that the partition I am using it on is of > > > > 1.6GB size and when recovering from an unclean shutdown with the > > > > partition having about 600MB on it, it takes 2:30 minutes to mount > > > > and thats far too long. > > > > > > > > So again, I apologize for asking this again and again but I haven't > > > > found any information confirming/dis-confirming that I can make HW ECC > > > > and oob > > > > tags work on our MLC nand. > > > > > > It is not so much a matter of HW or SW ECC, but how much space is unused. > > > Some HW ECC schemes will leave enough unused OOB for tags and some will > > > not. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Boaz. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 23:50 +0200, Boaz Ben-David wrote: > > > > > From looking at the ecclayout on mxc_nd2.c there are only 4 bytes in > > > > > the oobfree member. How many bytes does yaffs need to store it's > > > > > tags? Also, the imx35 uses hw ecc, I've read that mlc nand+hw ecc > > > > > usually means one cannot really use the oob for anything else, is > > > > > that true? > > > > > > > > > > Boaz Ben-David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using freescale's iMX353 and the nand is Samsung 2GB MLC 4k page > > > > > with 218 bytes oob. I was somehow under the impression that writing > > > > > to the oob area in MLC nand is problematic and thats why I tried > > > > > using the inband tags option. Isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > Charles Manning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 14 January 2011 10:59:03 Ross Younger wrote: > > > > > > On 13/01/11 17:35, Boaz Ben-David wrote: > > > > > > > Well, thanks for everyone for their support. > > > > > > > It turns out that all I had to do is mount the partitions with > > > > > > > the -o inband-tags flag for YAFFS2 to work correctly on my NAND. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to hear you've got it working. However, inband tags reduce > > > > > > both the storage capacity of the NAND[0] and the performance you > > > > > > can achieve[1]. I would recommend regular - out-of-band - tags if > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > [0] by the size of the packed tags struct (16 bytes) per page; > > > > > > about 0.8% of a device with 2k pages. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] in cases where YAFFS wants to read only the tags of a page, > > > > > > inband mode has to read in the entire page and throw away all but > > > > > > the last 16 bytes. This adds up fast when mounting following an > > > > > > unclean shutdown, when YAFFS has to scan the entire NAND. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, use out of band tags if you can. Inband tags will generally work > > > > > even if the mtd driver's oob handling is broken so you're > > > > > sidestepping the issue rather than fixing it. > > > > > > > > > > What NAND and NAND controller are you using? > > > > > > > > > > -- CHarles > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > yaffs mailing list > > > > > yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk > > > > > http://lists.aleph1.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yaffs > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > yaffs mailing list > > > > yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk > > > > http://lists.aleph1.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yaffs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yaffs mailing list > > yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk > > http://lists.aleph1.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yaffs > > > > _______________________________________________ > yaffs mailing list > yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk > http://lists.aleph1.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yaffs _______________________________________________ yaffs mailing list yaffs@lists.aleph1.co.uk http://lists.aleph1.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yaffs