On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Martin Fouts wrote:
> > OK. I don't really care 'coz I'd probably fork my own FS
> > partially based on some ideas from YAFFS/YAFFS2.
>
> Perhaps that would be best Sergey, as you don't seem the least
> interested in playing well with others.
>
> > Please don't take it as an abuse, but YAFFS2 in its present
> > state is unusable.
>
> It's not abuse, Sergey. It's also not true. It's less than perfect,
> and you have an application for which it is not working, but others are
> using it well in different applications. You need to recognize that.
This application is called Linux. Yes, I do agree that there are other
applications, not involving running Linux kernel and/or syslog.
> > It reproduceably fails as a root
> > filesystem -- after several reboots (even the proper ones,
> > less for a brutal powercycling a running
> > system) it leaves the FS in a state that makes it crashing
> > kernel on initial root FS mount (the crash is in hardlinks
> > list handling code, I can even point to exact line in the
> > source.)
>
> The difference, Sergey, is that instead of whining about it, you should
> point out the exact line in the source. Preferably in a patch. I am
> glad you send patches. You would do yourself a favor if you always
> included enough detail to reproduce your problem, and if you refrained
> from the social commentary.
Sorry, but there is no patch for that. It looks like a design flaw, the
logical error so there is nothing to patch there...
> > I reported that bug several times, I sent a couple
> > of decoded OOPSes but nobody seems to care.
>
> You have an inappropriate set of expectations Sergey. You sent that
> message on the 12th. It is now the 28th. Meanwhile, you have sent
> many
> messages that seem designed to convince the yaffs developers to have
> nothing to do with you.
>
> Here is how the real world works, Sergey: With respect to Linux yaffs
> development, Charles is a volunteer. He works on Yaffs out of the
> kindness of his heart. If you wish him to be kind to you, treat him
> kindly in return.
>
> With respect to Linux yaffs development, I am a professional.
> PalmSource pays me to, among other things, work on Yaffs. But they pay
> me to work on the bits they care about. Unfortunately for you, those
> bits all involve 512 byte pagesize parts. Any work I do on other bits
> of
> Yaffs is voluntary, and out of the kindess of my heart. Also,
> unfortunately for you, these days, they're asking me to concentrate
> more
> on other parts of my job. Finally, I do not have current access to 2k
> page NAND devices, so I can't test your patches.
>
> > And the CVS tree still keeps the source that does not work at all and
> > never ever worked.
>
> So here's the deal, Sergey: You've got problems with yaffs. They need
> fixing. They're not, however, the most pressing issues for the people
> who do fix things in Yaffs, and you're not making it at all desirable
> for them to fix your problems.
>
> Do not expect rapid turnaround on your problems. I read the list every
> day, and I'm aware of your issues, but I don't have 2k parts, so I
> can't
> test your fixes, and I do have a list of other items that I'm working
> on, so your problems aren't going to be on the top of my list.
>
> Do expect that the best way to get responses is to post messages with
> clear explanations of how to reproduce the problem and with patches.
> The second best way is the clear explanation without the patch. The
> worst way is to comment negatively.
>
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